AGENCY GROWTH CLUB
Tony Lael on the $260,000 Hiring Mistake He’ll Never Make Again
Guest: Tony Lael
Guest: Tony Lael
Tony Lael is part owner in four digital marketing agencies across the US, with a goal of reaching ten within three years, and he starts every one of them the same way: with Profit First.
On this episode of the Agency Growth Club, he breaks down the $260,000 hiring mistake he calls “massive” and will never make again, why culture, not skill, is the real barrier before $1M, and the stagecoach analogy he uses to explain how leadership has to change as an agency scales.
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Tony is part owner in four different US-based digital marketing agencies currently, with an explicit three-year goal of reaching ten. He’s also writing a book, From Grind to Gold, currently in editing, built around a pattern he’s observed repeatedly: agency owners start with genuine passion for the work and the dream of eventually selling for retirement or moving on to a next venture, then get pulled onto a treadmill of daily fires and lose sight of both building real wealth along the way and the eventual exit itself.
Tony’s framing draws on Robert Kiyosaki’s Rich Dad Poor Dad and its cash quadrant concept: the strongest position isn’t working in your business, it’s being positioned as an investor with someone else operating it for you. He illustrates the idea with the board game Cashflow, designed to teach basic business and money concepts, where “winning” specifically means your business throws off enough profit to cover all your living expenses without needing a salary or W-2/1099 income at all.
Getting to that state requires the fundamentals: good people, good process, good clients, and recurring revenue, which is precisely why Tony frames profitability itself as the forcing function that pushes an owner toward building a genuinely healthy business, not just a busy one.
Josh shared a personal connection here: growing up, his family had both the Cashflow board game and Monopoly in the house, and Tony agreed both are genuinely valuable, since they create a natural opening to explain financial concepts to kids (or curious adults) who ask what the game is actually about.
Tony is direct that the most common barrier keeping agencies under $1M isn’t a skills or tactics problem, it’s not having clearly defined their culture. Without that clarity, owners tend to hire for skill alone, and friction shows up later without an obvious explanation, since there’s no defined standard to measure a mismatch against.
Once culture is genuinely clear (who you are, why you do what you do, why you help the clients you help), two things follow directly: it becomes obvious in real time when someone doesn’t fit, and that same clarity naturally flows into marketing and messaging, actively attracting the right clients and repelling the wrong ones.
Josh shared a direct parallel from his own hiring experience: bringing people from in-house marketing backgrounds into agency life and initially assuming certain skills gaps could just be taught, before realizing that core values alignment has to be a first-interview filter, not something addressed later.
Actionable advice:
Tony has implemented EOS (the Entrepreneurial Operating System) across multiple agencies, and identifies a recurring operational bottleneck directly: teams trying to do everything at once during quarterly planning, loading up a long list of priorities instead of getting genuinely excellent at a small number of things.
His clearest example is pipeline building: agencies chasing multiple acquisition channels simultaneously (which is part of why LinkedIn is flooded with lead-gen pitches) instead of committing to one channel and getting truly good at it first. Tony calls this “slow down to speed up,” a principle that feels uncomfortable at first, especially for growth-minded teams used to juggling many initiatives, since narrowing focus can feel like doing less even when it produces more.
Referencing Dan Martell’s Buy Back Your Time directly (a book Tony recommends, written from an individual owner’s perspective), Tony’s version scaled to a full team follows a similar underlying logic: know your priorities, which requires knowing where the business is actually headed, before building systems to support them.
He frames every agency’s operational systems as fundamentally threefold: getting new business in the door, onboarding and delivering that business well, and marketing/telling people about the resulting work. These three systems interact under constant pressure, success in new business creates pressure on onboarding and delivery; strong delivery creates pressure back on sales to close more and on marketing to generate fresh case studies and referrals. Tony’s practical takeaway: understanding which system is currently under the most pressure tells you exactly where to invest next, rather than guessing or spreading resources evenly.
Tony starts every one of his agency partnerships the same way: implementing Profit First. The core mechanic flips typical P&L thinking, instead of looking at revenue minus costs minus expenses and treating whatever’s left as profit, Profit First allocates a target profit percentage first (Tony’s example: moving from 3% toward a realistic near-term target like 10%, not jumping straight to 30%), then requires costs and expenses to fit within what’s left.
“It puts a glaring spotlight on the stuff you should not be spending money on, or the people you should not be spending money on.” His clearest diagnostic example: identifying when a $45-50/hour team member is doing work that’s genuinely only worth $10/hour, a single fix that alone can meaningfully improve cash flow.
Tony’s standard across his agency partnerships: no profit distributions until the business has three months of expenses and cost of goods sold held in cash reserve. He’s candid about the real reason this matters, it’s less about actually needing to spend that cash in an emergency, and more about the confidence it provides to make calmer, better decisions rather than operating from month-to-month anxiety.
He notes an honest exception: during COVID, some of that reserve genuinely was used (without relying on PPP loans), which is precisely the kind of situation the buffer exists for. Josh shared his own related experience directly: having lived through month-to-month cash flow anxiety at his first agency, he now deliberately maintains six months of reserve at Search for Hire specifically to avoid that feeling again, a decision he and his co-founder debated (three months versus six) before settling on the more conservative number.
Actionable advice:
Asked directly about his costliest lesson, Tony doesn’t hesitate: hiring the wrong person, and specifically the cost of not addressing it fast enough once the mismatch became clear. Bad hires don’t just underperform individually, they fail to deliver for clients and transition poorly to other team members or accounts when things go wrong.
“I want to say it’s about a $260,000 mistake. It’s a big mistake. It’s a massive freaking mistake. I’m not going to make it again, ever.”
His broader philosophy on mistakes generally: they’re inevitable in building a business, but avoidable ones should genuinely be avoided by listening to experienced people and joining peer groups. His analogy: building a business without leaning on people who’ve done it before is like climbing Mount Everest without a Sherpa or at least someone who’s made the climb and come back safely, since some climbers go up and don’t return. That’s precisely the spirit in which he and Josh connected in the first place, through a LinkedIn introduction and a genuine, low-pressure conversation before either fully knew what the other did.
Josh shared his own most expensive lesson directly in the same exchange: not taking cash flow seriously enough early on, specifically getting overconfident after a strong revenue period, funding a large UK event and flying team members over from the US, then hitting several slow months immediately after with a team still needing to be paid. He credits that experience directly with the decision to maintain six months of cash reserve going forward.
Actionable advice:
Tony’s central analogy for leadership evolution is an old Western stagecoach: the owner is the driver holding the reins, not one of the horses pulling the wagon. The driver’s actual job is signaling direction; the lead horses, Tony’s stand-in for an agency’s key leaders, are the ones who do the pulling, meaning the actual problem-solving.
“Our job as owners is to support the leaders, clear obstacles, get them resources, and help them get unstuck. They’re the ones who pull.” The most common leadership challenge at this stage, in Tony’s experience, is a founder with a strong “hero” personality instinct who struggles to step back and let leaders actually solve the problems they’re being paid to solve. He references Dan Martell’s framework of different unhelpful owner personality types (Martell calls them “grenades”), including patterns like the self-appointed hero and the self-medicator, each requiring a founder to recognize their own tendencies and consciously work against them.
Tony’s second analogy: think of leadership like the inflatable bumpers used in bowling for new players, the owner’s job is to keep the ball roughly on track without being the ball, the bowler, or the pins themselves. Casting a clear vision (what game are we playing, and with whom) remains a core owner responsibility even as day-to-day execution shifts to trusted leaders.
Josh shared a directly relevant story: a friend in Austin who’d just hired both a CEO and a COO simultaneously, yet still logged 60 hours that same week. Tony’s read on that pattern: bringing in senior leaders capable of operating at a business’s next level often first requires the founder to clear out significant “institutional garbage”, legacy habits and unnecessary complexity the team has simply gotten used to operating within, before those new leaders can actually do the higher-level work they were hired for.
Tony is explicit there’s no secret tactic here, every growth strategy he builds, regardless of an agency’s current size, comes down to the same three pillars: pipeline (are we generating enough qualified opportunities), delivery (how well are we closing, onboarding, and retaining), and awareness (are we telling enough people about the work we’re actually doing).
The specific strategic priorities within those three pillars, whether that’s people, process, culture, or financial structure, depend entirely on an honest assessment of where an agency currently stands and which of the three pillars is the current bottleneck, not a universal playbook applied the same way regardless of context.
Profit First is a cash management method that allocates a target profit percentage before expenses, rather than treating profit as whatever’s left over. Tony credits it with exposing wasteful spending immediately, particularly cases where someone is paid at a senior rate for junior-level work.
Not clearly defining company culture. Without that clarity, hiring mismatches are harder to identify early, and the agency loses a natural filter that would otherwise sharpen both hiring decisions and client-facing marketing.
A minimum of three months of expenses and cost of goods sold in reserve before authorizing any profit distributions to owners, a buffer he frames as being about decision-making confidence as much as genuine emergency use.
The owner is the stagecoach driver, not one of the horses pulling the wagon. Their real job is signaling direction and clearing obstacles, while trusted leaders (the lead horses) do the actual work of solving problems day to day.
Pipeline (generating enough qualified opportunities), delivery (closing, onboarding, and retaining well), and awareness (telling enough people about the work being done), with the specific priority among the three depending on the agency’s current bottleneck.
A single bad hire that cost roughly $260,000, a mistake he calls “massive” and attributes to not addressing a poor fit quickly enough once it became clear the person couldn’t deliver for clients or transition well within the team.
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